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The Future of DeviantART? by `newklear:iconnewklear:





Over the course of the last 23 months as a deviant, I've seen some things that most others never get the chance to, and I've seen the highs and lows of the community. I've seen the transfer from version to version with the each new August; I've seen what it's like to be a deviant; I've seen what it's like to wear the staff hat as well; I've even seen being banned. But, I ask you this: Why am I still here? What makes me keep coming back here, and supporting this place so strongly? What it is I'm yet to find properly and define, but I know for sure, it's slowly dwindling away, fading into the distant memories of better times when deviantART was simply the best website around without the slightest shadow of a doubt. No'urdays, community seems to be taking a backseat to the corporate ventures the site seems to be undertaking at an exponentially quick rate. With every passing day, a new move towards turning dA into exactly what it is not: a corporation.

When it was founded in 2000, the basis for this place was community and art; a hub for people to interact and share their ideas and works with one another, and anyone else willing to look. Now, as we near the start of 2005, things have gone somewhat sour of that ideal. Check the news page on any given day, and I'm quite sure you'll see a very limited supply of community activities, all of which seem to be getting put on the "has-been" and the "might look into later" pile, where the more "interesting" ideas seem to be populating that shelf instead. Now, I pose to you this question: At what price does all of this change come? To me, it comes at the sacrifice of not only the morality of the website in the name of money and capitalization, but also, comes with a  spitefully redundancy of community ideal and freedom of interaction. You can only hit a horse with a stick so many times before it turns around and tramples you. To me, dA is that horse, and the tolerance threshold is on the verge of being breached.

It's all well and good for those of us who're lucky enough to be subscribed to tell those who're complaining about the DeviantNotice system to be quiet and quit moaning, but really, like it or not, we're all being stuck with mass-advertising in every new thing that happens. I remember a time when deviantART was a truly ad-free for those who pay, when you could open a news article in the Hot Topics without being bombarded with lines and lines of shameless, crass promotion. Now however, you're lucky to see anything recognised as being "important" to the members of the site that doesn't contain at the bare minimum one ad. So much for the features mentioned on the subscribe page, isn't it? While I realise deviantART takes monstrous amounts of money and funding to keep alive as it is a completely voluntary subscription system, we're in desperate danger of becoming an extinct breed, a dieing race at the hands of the golden dollar.

Now, if I may, I shall quote, the meaning of "community", the thing that deviantART is supposed to be, as defined by HyperDictionary. It is as follows:

\Com*mu"ni*ty\, n.; pl. {Communities}. [L. communitas:
cf. OF. communit['e]. Cf. {Commonalty}, and see {Common}.]
1. Common possession or enjoyment; participation; as, a
   community of goods.



And now, the exact same source's definition of "corporation":

\Cor`po*ra"tion\ (k[^o]r`p[-o]*r[=a]"sh[u^]n), n.
[L. corporatio incarnation: cf. F. corporation corporation.]
A body politic or corporate, formed and authorized by law to
act as a single person, and endowed by law with the capacity
of succession; a society having the capacity of transacting
business as an individual.



Now, which of the aforementioned does it feel like deviantART is becoming? To me, I feel it's drawing further from the former, and lingering slowly but steadily towards the ultimate outcome of being synonymous the latter. For what? An extra few bucks in liquid funds for dA? That, by itself defeats the purpose this community was founded with. Although deviantART doesn't function as a democracy, it does allow its users a voice to speak up when needed. However, this voice, is seemingly being silenced by the powers that be in times where it is really needed. When Scott Jarkoff, and Matthew Stephens founded this place way back in the distant land of the year 2000, the word "corporation" couldn't have been more antonymous with deviantART if it tried. Now, the seemingly small time of just over 4 years later, the comparison between the two is almost sickening. It truly does make me sick to the stomach to see the rollercoaster spiral out of control, and headed towards the same miserable, hideous fate that the dinosaurs suffered. Now, while I talk of the past, present and future, they're not as seemingly clear-cut as they should be, at least not to those who're outside of the loop. So, I offer you http://web.archive.org/web/20000815205911/http://www.deviantart.com/ this. Take a trip into the past, a time when this place was still, the place to be.

Way back in 2003, when I was just a fledgling around the site, it was hard to spot a thing I could imagine different or that could be done better. As time progressed, that list didn't do much to grow. That is, until about halfway through this year. When things started being exposed, and the true underside to the glossy veneer became more than just a little bit apparent. The truths of a lot of things I'd always wondered become clearer than ever. Unfortunately, things are still clear, and very apparent. Seeing this place dissolve into little more than just an addiction to feed the mind for a few hours isn't a good feeling. Having been on so many different tangents of it personally, it hurts even more. Ultimately, what happens cannot be changed by the miniscule deviants themselves, everything is already pre-defined. That is, unless objection is held and maintained of course.


Now, take a few minutes out of your oh-so-busy schedule to ponder over the question I'm about to ask you. I mean really think what you would do in this circumstance. What would you do, if deviantART suddenly disappeared? If deviantART became a shadow in the past, never to be seen again?. I want you to reply to this with your answer. It may be as long or short as you like, as long as you like, as long as you've really thought about it for more than just a few seconds. This will ultimately be different from not only deviant to deviant, but vary greatly depending on the amount of time the deviant has been around, the friends the deviant has made, and factors of a similar nature. The older guys would probably be quite distraught by it, and the younger, and in most cases, less experienced deviants with a little less assocciated trauma. For me, although this site doesn't hold as much to me as it once did, it would still be a massive loss. I've made many good friends through the ranks of deviantART, ranging from short-time deviants, through to admins and the longer stayers. Right now I'm trying to hold on to the shards of community still left around, and not lose the friends I've made. Now, inevitably we'll all depart this place at some point in time. Personally, I know that I'd prefer it be out of my own free will, not because of necessity calling a greater shot than my own want to remain behind. How did you arrive? Why are you here? Why do you remain behind?


As I look around the site, I see so much potential for bigger and brighter things for the future. As I look deeper, I see so much of what's occuring, and it brings me to the edge of tears. It's like watching a family member get murdered. At the end of the day, however, one needs to know when to cut their losses and move on with their back to the breeze. Do you?
©2004-2009 `newklear
:iconnewklear:

Author's Comments

I'm fed-up. No other word will justify exactly how much this makes me not only sick to the stomach, but makes me want to cry for the destruction and raping of something which was once pure; something that was once the center for only good things.

Please, I urge you, if you read this, please pass it on to your friends to read. I want this to touch as many people as I possibly can, so I can gather as many different opinions of the issue as I can. Also, if you read it, please take the time to think over what has been asked therein, and tell me what it inspires in you. If 5 minutes is too much out of your schedule, then deviantART must not mean as much to you as it does to me.

Once again, I urge you to tell me what you can come up with in response to the questions. This is one submission that is desperately important to me, and a lot of other people.

Thank you to everyone who reads and responds, if I can inspire some slight change then it's a step in the right direction :):heart:


PLEASE NOTE: The views expressed herein are the views of myself and myself alone . This editorial is for no other purpose than to a) vent some disgust in a constructive manner, and b) to inspire thought in the reading audiences. Please do not take inappropriate action in regards to this editorial. Thank you.



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:iconmeevilmonkey:
I replied to this when you showed it to me before, and honestly I do not think I can articulate my feelings any more coherently then I did at that point in time, though I feel I have much more on the matter to say, I cannot express all of it. So once again, I reply with this.

Disheartened and saddened as I would definately be from the loss of a community that has had so much impact on my life, personally, professionally and artistically, I realize that a small part of my heart would rather see deviantart fall into non-existance, than into the alienated corporatized ordinary web community (if community it still is) which it is inevitably becoming. I would rather think of deviantART as it was when I joined, when I was discovering the art around me, when I was inspired by the vast majority of people and artworks exhibited on the site. When I registered, expecting a website, and finding a community of artists united by the driving force to create and to better themselves and others works, to validate and praise where earned, and really earned, and a place of respect. Respect for art and artists alike, where you did not have to be good friends with someone to be treated with common courtesy. I would rather think of deviantart as it was, and yet gone, than think of deviantart as it was, turned into the one thing which the community strived not to be. I would indeed grieve over the loss of such a part of all our lives, yet I would rather have it taken away in what seems to me to be its waning days, that to see it's life prolonged, raping it of all it once was, stripping it of its goals and ideals, and eventually becoming all that it strived so hard to fight against.

:heart:

Well expressed my love. :heart:

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--all my lies are only wishes--
:iconmyfriendscallmebobo:
I would do everything I could to bring it back.

I came here on a whim, I love the people here and I don't plan to leave.

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Its spelled Myfriendscallmebobo but its pronounced Batman

Get "addict" changed back to "whore"!
:iconencore:
I have been here from quite some time now (I started out with another account then settled on this one), and I have seen deviantART become worse and worse since LONG ago. (I was also subscribed till recently, but didn't renew it for obvious reasons). there were always problems about the quality of the content and people, but since more or less a year ago everything is made worse as deviantART simply stopped being a little local market and became a giant shopping center.
I don't think there's any solution; if deviantART doesn't end - which maybe was the best option - it will simply become an extremely vulgar place, perhaps cool to download a couple of wallpapers and skins but nothing that would make u STAY here for more than 30 minutes.
the reason I find no hope in this is because the administration insists on not making reforms at the CORE, and at the very POINT of this place: the art. what were the latest modifications to the site? simply layout crap and more ads. I believe the very principles of the site must be altered, and they insist on not altering them. I think the free-for-all thing has got to end (for example people shouldn't be allowed to submit more than one deviation per day, or maybe they should use a policy similar to gfxartist, where u have to put your artwork in your own webspace; there shouldn't be sections such as those that allow family snapshots; etc). I wouldn't disagree even if they simply put an end to free subscriptions. Needless to say, the payed subscriptions should be a LOT more attractive than what they are now.
I think deviantART is a living contradiction; it insists on not leaving the "ideals" that were behind its foundation (such as this free-for-all policies), not realizing that such "ideals" are no longer viable now that the "community" has become simply gigantic.
:iconhakfest:
I wasn't really art oriented when I came to this site. I started looking at photos then got my first camera in October of last year.

But i've totally forgotten the rest of what I was going to say now, but i've seen people murmuring about these things before, but i've never seen some proper suggestions, what do you think should be done to rectify things?

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My Photo Blog - T52.org

"Judging soly on his DA page, hakfest is gay."
:iconlemontea:
If DeviantART disappeared I'd just populate software piracy again. Good community in either area. I kind of miss all the warez, the distros, and the pub tagging.

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_//LEMONTEA||MORE.ADDICTIVE.THAN.HEROIN_+''
:iconpeskaa:
My first response would be "oh what the fuck, down again. :|" Then I'd start my refresh routine.


An hour later I'd be like "SHIT".




To put it mildly. :|



Ah well, it's just a website, right? WRONG. deviantART is a community, and to lose a community, or a vital part of that community would be like losing a leg, or an arm and a leg. Oh hell, it's be like losing all your limbs and having to type with your nose for the rest of your life. I've not been here that long really, only 19 months. But in that time I have made friends who will last a lifetime. deviantART has become my online home, and I don’t want to be made homeless. I've said it before and I will say it again, deviantART is about the members first (then the art)... but at this moment in time the members of this vast community are being treated as second class citizens. Playing second fiddle to the almighty dollar.

“We're all being stuck with mass-advertising in every new thing that happens. We're all being stuck with mass-advertising in every new thing that happens.” You know, I was thinking the exact same thing looking at DDs these last few days with the little “print available” link at the end of the write up. Sure, it might be the holidays… but that is still advertising. Something I have paid not to see.

I feel that the original vision has been lost, and like you, I believe that deviantART the community is turning into deviantART the corporation more and more everyday. deviantART was never meant to be a corporation, or a money making machine. That was never it’s purpose, I find it sickening that deviantART is gradually becoming what it has fought so hard against. I doubt that many will stick around when it finally does, I certainly won’t. I just wonder when the balance will tip. :/

Something needs to be done, I am not prepared to sit idly by and watch while deviantART the community crumbles under corporate pressure.

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:lol: "your poetry is deep as the ocean. It makes me want to rite better." !wretchTard
:icondisguy2k:
You raise all the points here except one... and unfortunately its kinda important to mention. the difference between V2 and now has been phenominal growth. Just ask David Gorman about what happens to a "community site" without a business plan and see what DeskMod has resorted to :| In this day and age in order to survive you have to be business oriented, otherwise DA would've faded out about 18 months ago. DA is VERY bandwidth intensive, and even doing all the site maintenance for free, the bandwidth usage would've killed DA a long time ago. I think that the system DA has now is working, and is as unobtrusive as it can be, whilst still maintaining enough money to pay the bills. (I would hardly call DA a profitable venture).

What gives me the same feelings you described, was the lack of closeness that the community used to have. There are just so many people on here that everyone just seems to get lost in the crowd. THAT is the main reason I've basically haven't been coming back as often these days. I really miss the old days, but at the same time, I don't blame the management of the site. Its that way for survival reasons. Because of that, I feel its justified :)

Oh yeah, the other thing that pisses me off, is all the top end artists getting all their work ripped, so they either leave, or submit shit arse tiny versions with massive watermarks :|.

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Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Albert Einstein
:iconalitheia:
I honestly can't say how I'd feel because I can't really imagine it. Coming here and finding that dA is no more would be so shocking I would probably have trouble believing it. I'm sure that there would be some notice given before the site is taken down or something, but the thought of the internet without deviantART is inconceivable to me at this point.

I love this community. I love spending a rare free day surfing around finding new deviants and reading news and forums and having the chance to view beautiful works that people are so amazing as to share with the world. dA really knocks me out - I think it is one of the finest things to have ever come about on the internet. I am so proud of what dA is, what it stands for. The thought of that changing is frightening.

I am sure that if dA ceased to be, many people would look for a replacement. They would soon find that none exists, so it would be a waste of time to even try. I'm sure some would attempt to start their own community, but would ultimately be discouraged by the cost, work and inevitible frustrations that would result from such an undertaking. No, dA is irreplacable, I really believe that. So it is important for us to do whatever we can to save it.

So tell me, where do we go from here? What can I, as one little Shadow Deviant do to help this community I love so much? Give me something I can do, something I can encourage my friends here to do to help this place survive. Let's face it, we all need dA, it enriches our lives and brings us happiness. Let's get together and fight for our beloved green corner of the web. If you or anyone else is making a list, put my name on it.

:heart: :devart:
:iconsnowmask:
I've often wondered what it would be like should dA just be like BAM. Gone.

I was just on Skype actually, talking to Kathy ( *Myangelofmusic ), and I told her, "K imma go comment on this now". And she was like, "omg that actually scared me. I can almost see a four paragraph comment :lol:" "Well," I said, "I don't really want to write all that much". And it's because my answer to that question is as simple as this:

What can I do?

If it's gone, it's gone. I would have to accept that as a matter of fact, however painful it will be ["will", not "might"]. It would be like having a home demolished, or a long-term love/friendship tragically killed. I'd still talk to my friends on AIM, on the phone, visit them once in a while, but it would never be the same.

[...] as long as you've really thought about it for more than just a few seconds [...]

Frankly speaking, I've thought about this way too often, way too much. I don't want to anymore, however unfeasable that may be. It's too unbearably sickening. So I'm hooked to a place, so I have an online life. So I love art, and hold love, care and respect for the people who create it. Sad? Maybe? Do I give a fuck? Need I even answer that?

And oh. Ben. Critique? tf are you talking about :hug:

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Katie Franke
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:iconkasumichan2003:
Already posted my views on this on your journal, deary. But once more I'll say that I'd hate to see dA dissapearing...

This has been like a second home to me, I've met wonderful artist, people and have made great friends and it would be painful to lose all of this.

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